Great advice can ruin your orchestral mix

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Tim Johnson is a mix engineer specialising in cinematic music for film, television, and games. His work has been featured on the BBC, Netflix, Amazon, PBS, PlayStation, Xbox, and many other platforms.

He teaches orchestral mixing in our best-selling Mastering Orchestral Composition course (which now covers Spitfire Symphony Orchestra and BBCSO) and foundational techniques for all genres in his dedicated mixing course, Introduction to Mixing.

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We all have the same tools available to us for mixing music and, on the surface, the techniques seem universal, but in practice the approach to mixing orchestral music is quite different.

The problem is that most mixing education, and almost every tutorial on your favoured social media platform, comes from the world of pop, rock, or EDM. So when composers try to apply those methods to mixing an orchestra, things tend to go sideways fast.

In other words, it may be good advice, but used in the wrong context it can devastate an orchestral mix.

Here is some of the most common mixing advice you will come across, and why it doesn’t apply to orchestral music.

Myth 1: “Never listen in isolation”

In most genres, you’ll hear people say “never solo anything, always mix in context.”

I’ve never been much of a fan of this advice in any context, as I believe in making every track sound as good as it possibly can before joining the rest of the ensemble… but that’s just me and I can see why one might stand by this advice for mixing other genres, but for orchestral mixing, it misses half the story.

When you’re working with sampled instruments, soloing isn’t optional, it’s essential. You need to listen in isolation to make sure every instrument behaves like a real performance. That means using clip gain, volume automation and clever editing to shape phrases naturally. I find that even when working on sampled mock-ups from seasoned professionals that have carefully crafted their MIDI velocities and expression, there will still be instruments coming in late, a gong swell finishing early, two articulations for the same instrument that aren’t fitting together as well as they could, and so on.

If you’re mixing a live recording, soloing lets you catch all the small but important imperfections, clicks, pops, page turns, chair squeaks, and stray coughs before they become embedded in the full mix.

So yes, listen in isolation. Just do it with the right goal in mind: to make every track sound believable and musical on its own terms.

Once you’ve done that housekeeping, mix in context. Even then, soloing sections to make sure they balance well internally before adding them to the full mix is totally acceptable, encouraged even. Overall balance and tonal shaping decisions should happen with the whole orchestra playing. Remember, an orchestra isn’t 80 soloists. It’s one giant, breathing organism.

Myth 2: “Always phase-align microphones”

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Another classic “engineer’s rule” that doesn’t translate.

In pop and rock sessions, you might phase-align multi-mic drum kits or guitar cabs to tighten up the sound, preserve transients and avoid comb filtering. But try that on orchestral recordings and you’ll destroy everything that makes them sound alive.

Those tiny phase differences are part of the orchestra. They’re the spatial cues your brain uses to perceive depth and dimension. It is the reason you can hear that the brass are sitting behind the strings, and that the room extends 40 feet beyond the conductor. For example, the fact that the sound of the Double Basses reaches the left decca tree mic a fraction of a second after it meets the right one is what tells you they are sat on the right. If you phase align those microphones, you will lose that positioning.

Leave natural phase relationships intact. If something truly sounds hollow or smeared, investigate, but tread lightly. Phase relationships are the threads that hold the space together.

Myth 3: “Ensure mono compatibility”

Now, I’m not saying mono compatibility doesn’t matter. If you know your mix is primarily going to be played on a mono phone speaker, such as a mobile game, it’s still worth checking, but this isn’t such a big issue as it might be for other genres.

Orchestral music rarely lives in the mono world. It lives in stereo, or surround, where width, depth, and space are every bit as important as the music itself. If you chase mono compatibility to the point of collapsing your stereo image, you’re robbing the listener of a vital element of orchestral music: immersion.

Check your mix in mono occasionally to catch glaring problems (like polarity flips), but don’t let it dictate your decisions. Orchestral music should sound great in stereo first.

Myth 4: “Carve out space for every instrument”

Here’s a phrase that gets repeated endlessly: “Use EQ to carve out space so every instrument has its own frequency range.”

Makes perfect sense in a pop mix, but an orchestra? Not so much.

Orchestral music thrives on overlap. The richness comes from instruments sharing frequencies, from violas blending with clarinets, from cellos supporting the horns, from the entire ensemble merging into a cohesive texture. If you carve space for every instrument, you’re dismantling that natural blend.

Think of balance before EQ. I spend more time adjusting faders, clip gain and automation than anything else. If something’s muddy, it’s probably an arrangement or balance issue, not a frequency one. EQ should be gentle and broad, subtle tonal shaping, not frequency surgery.

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Myth 5: “How to get your mix LOUD…”

… is the title of a million youtube videos. The “loudness wars” have infected even the most refined genres. It’s tempting to push your limiter a bit harder so your score “competes” with top 10 commercial releases. The problem with that is that loud orchestral mixes sound small.

An orchestra’s power doesn’t come from it being loud across the board. It comes from contrast. The whisper before the roar. The hush before the explosion. That’s what gives it scale.

The dynamic range is every bit as important as the melody and rhythm. Don’t take that away to try and compete with the latest Taylor Swift track at -6 LUFS.

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To conclude…

The orchestra has its own rules because it has its own physics; real air, real distance, real players. We can learn a lot from mixing techniques borrowed from other genres, but we need to appreciate when they work and when they don’t.

Yes, there are universal mixing principles, but how you apply them matters. The more you understand the purpose of the ensemble, the more you can break the “rules” intelligently.

Want to learn more from Tim?

He teaches orchestral mixing in our best-selling Mastering Orchestral Composition course (which now covers Spitfire Symphony Orchestra and BBCSO) and foundational techniques for all genres in his dedicated mixing course, Introduction to Mixing.

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Tim Johnson

Tim Johnson is a professional mixing engineer and Head of Postgraduate Education at ThinkSpace. He holds a Masters degree in Composition for Screen from the Royal College of Music and is passionate about furthering the careers of ThinkSpace students all over the world.

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Does your music often sound muddy, messy and is difficult to mix? Here’s how to fix it.

Michael Baugh is an award-winning composer who regularly collaborates with Grammy winners and nominees. He's also a ThinkSpace Masters degree tutor and hosts our on-demand course The Sound of Modern Sci-Fi.

I struggled with this for years – piling on string libraries, doubling parts, and trying new plugins – but it never sounded clean. Then one evening, while I was toiling away on a mockup, my Emmy Award–winning composer friend Michael Worth showed me something simple yet powerful. Let me share it with you.

Although we’re going to focus on the string section, the same principles apply to brass, woodwinds, synths, and pretty much any ensemble.

To begin with, let’s reframe the string section into three layers:

  • Highs: 1st Violins and 2nd Violins
  • Mids: Violas
  • Lows: Cellos and Basses

Now, you might be thinking: “But cellos could sit in the mids” or “2nd violins could work in the mids too.” And you’d be absolutely right! Instrument roles aren’t fixed. For the sake of clarity, though, we’ll stick with this layout as a starting point.

Watch this video where I demonstrate how stacking the lows, mids, and highs allows each part of the string section to occupy its own space, creating both clarity and power

The first thing you might notice is how this approach simplifies the writing process. It becomes much clearer what each part of the string section should be doing. You can also hear how much natural power comes from the low end, and how much clarity the mids and highs bring, even without any EQ or mixing. That’s the beauty of strong, simple orchestration: it delivers clarity and power right from the get go, so you’re not left thinking, “I’ll fix it in the mix.”

A Quick Look at Good vs. Problematic Orchestration

An important thing to keep in mind is spacing between notes. When your parts are spaced apart, say, a fifth or an octave, the result is cleaner and more powerful because each line has room to breathe. Notice in the image below how each part has some space: certain lines support each other in octaves, while others are spread by a fifth, creating clarity, power and balance.

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This spacing prevents muddiness and allows the section to resonate naturally.

On the other hand, when the parts are packed too closely together, the sound quickly becomes muddy and indistinct. Rather than getting power, you end up with a blur of notes fighting for the same space.

problem orchestration example

Notice how the notes are clustered too closely, competing for the same frequencies. This kind of voicing makes your strings, and your orchestration as a whole, feel small and messy, no matter how many libraries, plugins, or hours of mixing you throw at it.

Why not give this method a try and share your results? Post it on social media and tag us, we’d love to hear what you come up with!

Want the midi or/and the stems I created in this video? Here they are. Remember to set the tempo in your DAW to 150bpm.

DOWNLOAD stems & midi

The Instruments I Used (and A Great Free Alternative)

Benjamin Wallfisch Strings from Orchestral Tools

Beaufort Brass from Orchestral Tools

Afflatus Strings from Strevoz Sampling

A free alternative:

Berlin Free Orchestra from Orchestral Tools

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Michael Baugh is an award-winning composer who regularly collaborates with Grammy winners and nominees. He's also a ThinkSpace Masters degree tutor and hosts our on-demand course The Sound of Modern Sci-Fi.